youknowbb..
ithinktheworldofya...
but, ha! really, we are skeptics for a reason.
just ask houston how its doin since catrina...

so, i mean this in the NICEST WAY BABY...

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MUAH!
:excited:,

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Shall i find a bunny with Bhopal featured in it somewhere?

 

Have you seen any American President defending Union Carbide over the tragedy in India?

It isn't whether BP will or will not ante up to cover the financial costs of cleaning up the Gulf Coast, it's will they fess up to the negligence in operating the platform. It is also about them admitting that the spill is far worse than they let on originally.

It would be refreshing to see the UK government saying that the financial impact of BP's stock performance is clearly the fault of BP's problems and not those of a US President.

We (the US) will deal with the lack of the appropriate government oversight, will the UK deal with the lack of public responsibility by BP?

 

That is not the point, is it? The point is that the US government is being chastised for holding BP's feet to the fire, while the UK government placates them.

Did the sitting president placate UC?

If not then the wrong party is being told to STFU.

 

So you dont see Obama as "playing to the masses" with his rhetoric? Come on

 

Nope. We won the war.

 

There are lives lost, jobs that may be lost forever, an ecosystem in ruins, and the oil is still leaking on day 56...I think those are good enough reasons, at least on this side of the pond...

 

Hey, dude. PB is seriously angering the American people. I wish Obama was more skilled at channeling that anger.

 

I've been waiting for some conservative to contradict themselves on this lack of government oversight.

The only way the "federal government" could have prevented this blow out is if we paid to have two federal officials on every drilling rig, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Are you ready for that kind of government expansion tenguy?

I'm getting really sick of people trying to blame this on the federal government when it was actually gross negligence on the part of BP, Transocean, and Halliburton and the decisions they made at the rig.

This is the greatest example of supervisors worming out in the history of the oilfield. There's no excuse for BOPs not to work. There's no excuse for not knowing when you're taking a kick. Those have been the professional standards of the past 100 years. Those supervisors KNEW THEIR NEGATIVE PRESSURE TESTS FAILED. They decided to chance it and lost on a really stupid gamble due to their own carelessness, complacency, and god damned laziness.

I sure don't see President Obama playing to the masses. If he was he would have not named Admiral Thad Allen as the coordinator and he would have taken over BP like a majority of Americans have been screaming for.

 

Republicans starve the public sector and use it's weakness as an argument in favor of the private sector.

 

Looking opver this thread I am struck by several things

1. BP has not been called Pritish Petroleum for years - Obama is cynically divertiong attention by bringing an anti British tinge to this debate.

2. BP did not own or operate the rig or the valve - these were 100% US corperations, but this is virtually never mentioned.

3. BP did at a fairly early stage take responsibility (unlike Transocean or Halliburton) and set to work in a big way.

4. What is the point of kicking BP during the capping and clean up efforts - no one else has the technology and anyone looking at their web site will have seen almost continous activity since day 1. Try beating you mechanic while he is servicing your Automobile and see if it speeds up his work!

5. Yes BP fucked up big time, and has already said that it will pay for clean up costs (unlike Union Carbide and countless other US firms who use expensive legal teams to kick compensation into the long grass) - but there is no conspircay, no attempt to hide BP are standing up and delivering. The problem is that the technlogy to cap the well did not previously exists and to drill new relief bores takke a mon of 3 months - that's the brutal truth.

6. The really big issue is being totally ignored. The US have 2% of the worlds population and use 25% of the worlds oil. This is forcing oil exploration to become increasingly risky (the "easy" oil has already been extracted). When are the Americans going to wake up and realise that climate denial ( and refusing to lead the world in carbon emission control and alternative energy ) is not only unsustainable but will result in more of this type of disaster.

Of course thats the big question - Obama's answer is to totally ignore the question and keep kicking BP and whip up anti British sentiment - it is pathetic..and I was an Obama supporter !

 

How many of you want to move here???
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No, first everything that happens on that rig is under BP's direct supervision and responsibility. Its up to BP personnel to know that the rig and the blow out preventers are functioning properly. They sign off on that daily on most rigs.

Second and far more important, the BP supervisors on the rig that night as well as Transocean and Halliburton all knew their negative pressure tests had failed and the well was not cemented and secure.

But it was the BP company who ordered everyone else to just keep going even though those tests had failed.

 

First of all, I've been hearing it called BP pretty much nonstop on the news. Second of all, are you seriously suggesting that calling a company by its real name, as opposed to it's abbreviation, is somehow anti-British?

No, if you want to point the finger at someone giving the UK a bad name, point at Tony Hayward.

 

Well no shit, what would you expect?
If this were happening off of British shores, and an American company were responsible wouldn't you expect your PM to raise hell?
I'm actually kind of surprised that so many British citizens are so quick to jump to BP's defense.
I didn't realize that you lot were such avid corporatists.

 

I do belive that 40% of BP is American owned.

 

Good. Then it's ours to liquidize anyways. Shove it Limeys! :excited:

 

Documents: BP cut corners in days before blowout

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By MATTHEW DALY and RAY HENRY, Associated Press Writers Matthew Daly And Ray Henry, Associated Press Writers – 1 min ago



NEW ORLEANS – BP made a series of money-saving shortcuts and blunders that dramatically increased the danger of a destructive oil spill in a well that an engineer ominously described as a "nightmare" just six days before the blowout, according to documents released Monday that provide new insight into the into the cause of the disaster.

The House Energy and Commerce Committee released dozens of internal documents that outline several problems on the deepsea rig in the days and weeks before the April 20 explosion that set in motion the largest in U.S. history. Investigators found that BP was badly behind schedule on the project and losing hundreds of thousands of dollars with each passing day, and responded by cutting corners in the well design, cementing and drilling mud efforts and the installation of key safety devices.

"Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense. If this is what happened, BP's carelessness and complacency have inflicted a heavy toll on the Gulf, its inhabitants, and the workers on the rig," said Democratic Reps. Henry A. Waxman and Bart Stupak.

The missteps emerged on the same day that President Barack Obama made his fourth visit to the Gulf, where he sought to assure beleaguered residents that the government will "leave the Gulf Coast in better shape than it was before."
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Well gosh almighty Stumbledumb, I sure am glad to help you end your wait.

Contradict, how on earth have you derived that? Conservatives like me are all for reasonable and effective regulation. What we are opposed to is the idiotic regulations that you liberals think so much of. You know the ones, they are long on side effects and short on controlling anything.

And since you are so well informed, how many violations has BP gotten away with, on both W's and O's watch?

 

No tenguy you bullshitting and pretty wobbly legged at that. All regulations are idiotic liberal big government interference as far as you're concerned and after all this time and debate you're back tracking on that now.

Besides I told you. You're not only contradicting yourself, your talking out your ass as well. You tell me tenguy what could the federal government have done to prevent that blow out?

And once it again what could be done about it?

Lets see you answer those simple questions tenguy?

Then you can tell me again how millionares working as stock brokers, lenders, bond raters and the entire financial industry are a bunch of liberals.

I'm still laughing my ass off over that piece of senile nonsense.